When you call for action, you have to have objectives to achieve.
The key questions are:
What exactly is it we settle for?
Is it a permanent rank for 6 cabs outside the door and NO minicab waiting area?
What exactly is it we settle for?
Is it a permanent rank for 6 cabs outside the door and NO minicab waiting area?
Seems a reasonable outcome
The next question for the 'organisers':
The next question for the 'organisers':
What next if TfL refuse?
The obvious answer is more action, once a week on random busy nights on a 'flash mob' basis until we succeed.
Still in relation to the threats that face the trade with bigger ones in the pipeline, deregulation, Über and the continued hostility and incompetence of TfL.
The obvious answer is more action, once a week on random busy nights on a 'flash mob' basis until we succeed.
Still in relation to the threats that face the trade with bigger ones in the pipeline, deregulation, Über and the continued hostility and incompetence of TfL.
The Shard despite all it's height is small potatoes.
We have seen what the trade unions can do in parliament this week, we need more of the same there and at the GLA.
So Shard organisers, are you up for:
Asking for support from all trade groups?
Continuing action until victory is achieved?
Refusing to talk to TfL unless all trade groups are there and our just demands are met?
Joining a campaign to ensure the upcoming GLA led enquiry is thorough and call for the transport committee in parliament?
If not the demo will be (as many suspect) little more than a PR stunt that's all carefully choreographed from elsewhere.
We have seen what the trade unions can do in parliament this week, we need more of the same there and at the GLA.
So Shard organisers, are you up for:
Asking for support from all trade groups?
Continuing action until victory is achieved?
Refusing to talk to TfL unless all trade groups are there and our just demands are met?
Joining a campaign to ensure the upcoming GLA led enquiry is thorough and call for the transport committee in parliament?
If not the demo will be (as many suspect) little more than a PR stunt that's all carefully choreographed from elsewhere.
I truely hope it's not the case.
PROVE THE DOUBTERS WRONG, or CONFIRM their misgivings.
PROVE THE DOUBTERS WRONG, or CONFIRM their misgivings.
OVER TO YOU LCDC?
I for one would be happy to give you the credit if that happens.
I'm Spartacus
I for one would be happy to give you the credit if that happens.
I'm Spartacus
11 comments:
Oddy says...
No
No
And No!
This won't be as big as the organisers think. Does the average cabbie give a shit about a single rank space?
The demo against TFL and Uber is the one that will make history!
PHV plying for hire.
Lord Chief Justice Parker in Cogley made reference to the many cases that have over the years been
considered. Questions include: how is the vehicle being used and positioned to effectively ply for hire? In essence it appears that the vehicle should be on view and the owner or driver expressly or impliedly invite the public to use it; and that the member of the public should be able to use that vehicle if he/she wants to. This means that if a PHV is positioned in an area where the public expect taxis to be, whether Hackney Carriages or PHVs, their very positioning may suggest that they are available for hire.
It should be noted that a fare being paid or a journey being undertaken does not have to have occurred for the offence of ‘plying for hire’ to be established. It is again a matter of fact and degree in each case, where there is prima facie evidence of the vehicle plying for hire or being on view to the public and inviting the public to use it. Clearly the location and appearance of the car is relevant. If a PHV is parked adjacent to a taxi rank and for a period of time, whether short or long, in such a position and bearing all the hallmarks of being a cab that such members of the public are likely to approach and avail themselves of the services of a taxi, then this could give rise to an accusation of plying for hire. The driver may argue that he was simply waiting for a future booking but in the circumstances it may be such that any Court could conclude that he was obtaining the opportunity of plying for hire.
Penalty for plying for hire without a licence. England + Wales + Scotland + Northern Ireand.
If the proprietor or part proprietor of any carriage, or any person so concerned as aforesaid, permits the same to be used as a hackney carriage plying for hire within the prescribed distance without having obtained a licence as aforesaid for such carriage, or during the time that such licence is suspended as hereinafter provided, or if any person be found driving, standing, or plying for hire with any carriage within the prescribed distance for which such licence as aforesaid has not been previously obtained, or without having the number of such carriage corresponding with the number of the licence openly displayed on such carriage, every such person so offending shall for every such offence be liable to a penalty not exceeding a maximum fine of £500
Any vehicle plying their vehicle for hire for business from persons on a London Borough ‘street’ breaks the law if doing so without a hackney carriage licence granted from Transport for London.
London Case History.
Re: Unlicensed vehicles plying for hire in a public place.
Gilbert v McKay.
Clark v Stanford.
Newman v Vincent.
Rose v Welbeck Motors Ltd and Another.
White v Cubitt.
Well done Spartacus
We have to know which dog is wagging our tail and which kennel it sleeps in.
As the saying goes! From little acorns grow big oak trees so let's show how gentle we can be but roar like a lion if they continue to try and have us over! After all we've got nothing to loose
A full on demo is required at Trafalgar Sq: Bells, whistles, banners, flags and 10,000 + cabs - this will attract the world media.Then the trade can call for a full public enquiry into the corrupt and improper practices and activities of Boris Johnson, his TfL directors,staff and their total inability to run a licensing authority.
This should be an ALL trade demonstration, any negotiations should be attended by representatives from ALL trade groups to achieve the best possible outcome.
TfL is exploiting the trades weaknesses - now is the time for the trade to show Boris Johnson and his team fom on the buses what can be done by disenfranchised cab drivers.
IT'S TIME THE TRADE STUFFED BORIS JOHNSON'S ANTI-TERRORIST SLUR RIGHT DOWN HIS THROAT!
The LTDA have been placed centre stage. Advan all over the place, anti TfL front pages in Taxi and McNamara on record as saying mass demo over TfL and Uber. LTDA twitter feed is anti TfL and rumour has it Mc and Davies have a surprise for TfL on Tuesday, WTF is going on??
What the surprise Oddy's resignation or no one claiming stand down pay?
Anon 8:23 PM...
If what you are saying is true, this demo is definitely a stunt to gain popularity with cab drivers - This is why it is imperative that other trade groups should be involved in ANY negotiations. Davis and MacNamara have a tendency to be cheap and unprofessional, they have a history of focusing on a small part or the problem; this coupled with poor negotiating skills has cost the trade in the past - you only need to reveiw how they rolled over and accepted and still accept The Taxi Age Limit.
Steve and Grant, regardless of how great you think you are - this is not the time to go it alone!!!
No surprises sorry lads.
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